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		<title>Homeschooling in the popular culture</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 10:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sunday night, the children and I sat down to watch a movie on Hulu since we have no television (and no real interest in football, anyway.)  On the lineup?  Princess, because I&#8217;ve had about all the Flipper and Fudge I can take.  The plot doesn&#8217;t really matter.  Suffice it to say, she doesn&#8217;t get out [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/castle.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1446" style="margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 5px;" title="castle" src="http://roscommonacres.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/castle.jpg" alt="" width="219" height="174" /></a>Sunday night, the children and I sat down to watch a movie on Hulu since we have no television (and no real interest in football, anyway.)  On the lineup?  <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/125310/princess">Princess</a>, because I&#8217;ve had about all the Flipper and Fudge I can take.  The plot doesn&#8217;t really matter.  Suffice it to say, she doesn&#8217;t get out much, having spent almost her entire life in this castle.  And it doesn&#8217;t take long for the writers to invoke our culture&#8217;s one great symbol of isolation:</p>
<blockquote><p>Rumor has it, she was <em>homeschooled</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Being a princess, you sort of automatically think of governesses and tutors, for what sort of princess is properly homeschooled?  But nothing says locked-away-in-a-tower quite like <em>homeschooled</em>, so homeschooled she was.  And seriously, how else would lines like &#8220;I don&#8217;t socialize much,&#8221; and &#8220;Can you tell I&#8217;m not used to this?&#8221; (referring to, uh, having a conversation) make any sense?</p>
<p>Now<em> we</em> homeschool.  Locked away in the west tower, looking out over the kingdom and unable to have any part in it.  I asked my children what they thought about the comment, but the negative undertone passed by them unnoticed.</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course she was homeschooled, mom.  She doesn&#8217;t have time for school with all those mythological monsters to take care of.</p></blockquote>
<p>So I don&#8217;t have to worry about what subliminal messages they are being fed, just yet.  It all makes sense within the context of their own experience and beliefs about what homeschooling is and is not.</p>
<p>But the stereotypes are heavy on my mind as I look around at nearby churches.  It is a long drive in to Lincoln for worship, long enough to negate any real participation in the church community there.  When our commitments are through, I hope to move to a local church where we can be part of an active community.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never really thought about it before.  I know people who have had difficulty in their home churches due to homeschooling, but Lincoln is big enough that it just isn&#8217;t that hard to move to another church.  The pickings are slim, out here, and somehow, we&#8217;re going to just have to make things work if we want to worship in our own community.</p>
<p>I like the<em> idea</em> of that, but I guess we shall see how it plays out once we begin actually visiting churches.</p>
<p><a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/homeschooling">homeschooling</a> <a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/home+education">home education</a> <a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/socialization">socialization</a></p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2009/11/a-little-homeschool-style-socialization/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">A little homeschool-style socialization</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2007/08/bringing-intergenerational-experiences-to-the-schools/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Bringing intergenerational experiences to the schools</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2009/05/should-homeschoolers-stick-with-the-system/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Should homeschoolers stick with the system?</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2009/03/what-if-the-nc-judges-ruling-against-homeschooling-is-the-best-possible/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">What if the NC judge&#039;s ruling against homeschooling is the best possible?</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2008/11/weird-unsocialized-homeschooler/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Weird, unsocialized homeschooler</a></li></ul></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px" id="linksalpha_tag_1088167395" class="linksalpha-email-button" data-url="http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/homeschooling-in-the-popular-culture/" data-text="Homeschooling in the popular culture" data-desc="Sunday night, the children and I sat down to watch a movie on Hulu since we have no television (and no real interest in football, anyway.)  On the lineup?  Princess, because I've had about all the Flipper and Fudge I can take.  The plot doesn't really matter.  Suffice it to say, she doesn't get out much, having spent almost her entire life in this castle.  And it doesn't take long for the writers to invoke our culture's one great symbol of isolation:
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		<title>Thoughts of a secular German homeschooler on the asylum case</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The story of how the Romeike&#8217;s, a German homeschooling family, was granted asylum by a judge in Tennessee has made quite a few waves, with reports in Time, Education Week, Forbes, The Washington Post, not to mention blogs.  I&#8217;ve seen a nearly constant stream of updates in Twitter as yet another circle of people I [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story of how the Romeike&#8217;s, a German homeschooling family, was granted asylum by a judge in Tennessee has made quite a few waves, with reports in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westdeutscher_Rundfunk">Time</a>, <a href="http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/01/26/326945usrelgermanhomeschoolfamily_ap.html&amp;destination=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/01/26/326945usrelgermanhomeschoolfamily_ap.html&amp;levelId=1000">Education Week</a>,<a href="http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/01/26/general-us-rel-german-homeschool-family_7305359.html"> Forbes</a>, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/26/AR2010012603298.html">The Washington Post</a>, not to mention blogs.  I&#8217;ve seen a nearly constant stream of updates in Twitter as yet another circle of people I follow learn the news and pass it on.</p>
<p>Homeschooling, it seems, may have finally been defined as a basic human right as well as a <a href="http://www.hslda.org/hs/international/Germany/201001260.asp">particular social group</a> by an American court.  HSLDA says they took the case partially in hopes of influencing public opinion in Germany.  It certainly has spurred the national debate, with the story hitting major newspapers, television, radio and the<a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=romeike&amp;btnG=Search+Blogs"> German blogs are on fire</a> with the discussion.</p>
<p>I wanted to provide a slightly different perspective on the issue, with the thoughts of a secular German homeschooler/unschooler who currently has children in the German public schools.  The translation is my own.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Thoughts on the Romeikes:</strong></p>
<p>The WDR <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westdeutscher_Rundfunk">(</a><em>Translator&#8217;s note:</em> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westdeutscher_Rundfunk"><em>West German Radio</em></a><em>, German public broadcasting</em>) holds a team meeting, One of the topics:  The Romeike Family.  The current WDR editor asks whether one can be skeptical of the Christian views.  I, like the conversation partner who spoke with the WDR, think yes, one may.  BUT no one, because of his beliefs or because he represents a minority, should have to leave this country, because enough other families know that things aren&#8217;t the best with our own schools.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why shouldn&#8217;t we allow home education in Germany, where perhaps only a couple thousand would take this option?&#8221; were the thoughts posed to the WDR.  The answer came quickly.  The editor said only two words, &#8220;If that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, if only a few thousand families were to home educate.  If only a third of these did so for Christian reasons.  A strong country should respect its minorities and not suppress them.  Because most Germans love their land and should be supported.  The editor also took these thoughts in his meeting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been at &#8220;learning at home&#8221; for almost six years with my oldest son Manuel, whom many of you know.  For almost two years, he has been learning almost fully alone.  The first years were also arduous:  Considering what needed to be learned, the search for materials, the preparation and follow-up, the learning alongside.  It was also expensive, in two regards:  all the books to buy, supplemental materials, one tinkers, works, holds animals, plants and visits museums and other institutions&#8211;everything for education.  And one pays court costs in order to be clear of penalties and fines.  It was also a very beautiful time and it is still now, because Manuel has become an independent, self-possessed young person&#8211;like many free learners I have come to know.  Most do it for reasons very different from the Romeikes, the authorities however proceed the same: Fines and penalties and finally comes the youth welfare office, which tries to compel the children to school with threats.</p>
<p>Now my youngest two sons go to school&#8211;many of their best friends are unschoolers and homeschoolers.  They go to school, because that is what one does, because they can and are successful and&#8211;and because they may learn at home what they do not receive in school.  Without challenge at home, without support for their interests, the education in the school would be insufficient.  I was raised Christian, but am of the opinion that my children should decide for themselves which beliefs they would like to have and was always dissatisfied with the religious instruction in the schools.  Therefore, my sons go to Ethics.  (<em>Translator&#8217;s note:  Religious education is compulsory in Germany, generally Protestant in the north and Catholic in the south.</em>)</p>
<p>Today in the school is a participatory concert, a minister will come, he will sing with the children.  In the first two school hours.  Normally in this time, core subjects are taught.  Normally after that,  one of my children has PE, which is canceled for the day; a substitute teacher will keep the children busy.</p>
<p>We must pay 2 Euro per child for the minister&#8217;s concert, we received a parent letter which stated that the children of the first grades would participate in the concert as a required event.  We were not asked how we felt about that.</p>
<p>I asked my children if I should ask the teachers what the Ethics children were to do in that time&#8211;and whether they would actually like to go.  My younger son gave the answer: &#8220;But Mama, we&#8217;re singing the songs of Noah&#8217;s Ark, we&#8217;ve been practicing.  EVERYONE&#8217;S going.&#8221;  We&#8217;re a democratic household, had the boys said they wouldn&#8217;t like to go, it would have to be considered how the school could accommodate the children.  So it was naturally also simple, they wanted to participate, so they will participate.</p>
<p>I had no more words after that for the statements of my children, I had to reflect on that.  Clearly, today they have gone there.  It is sure that it will be fun for them.  But I have understood what persuades Christian homeschoolers like the Romeikes to leave this country, although I find it unfortunate.  We still have a constitution, with parental rights and freedom of belief.  I have tried to grant this freedom of belief to my children.  I hold to the law and my children attend a state school, which also has nice aspects, because in that time I can work and have time for my children in the afternoons.</p>
<p>But&#8211;today the state, represented by the primary school, determines that my children are required to compensate and accompany a minister for a concert and prior to this, the school successfully proselytised them and taught them subjects of faith without my knowledge.</p>
<p>My children are strong children and tell everything at home and we will talk about it and answer the questions that come up.  But what about the children that have a home where parents do not have this time&#8211;because there is too little money and both parents must work all day?  What about the children who may not be able to bring their questions about new beliefs home to their parents?  Does the state really have the responsibility to determine in which Christian beliefs my children should be brought up?</p>
<p>After the Romeike&#8217;s asylum proceedings, the state, the schools and the teachers should reflect what their purposes are.  Above all that, while the press explains that Germans have fled to the USA for their freedom of belief and were granted asylum, today Christians, Muslims and children from other religions sat in an elementary school gymnasium and participated in a concert with a minister, the exact contents of which were previously unknown to us parents.</p>
<p>I wish the Romeike family well, and may Germany go thoughtfully into the day&#8230;</p>
<p>~Corinna</p></blockquote>
<p>And indeed, what are the purposes of the state in education? <a href="http://www.doe.mass.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4429">Preparation for a global economy</a> and socialization, the latter of which has significant parallels with the &#8220;<a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2006/09/parents-right-to-educate-by-its-nature-calls-for-regulation-by-the-state/">parallel societies</a>&#8221; argument Germany has used to support it&#8217;s persecution of homeschooling families.  That is also why I think it is important to get the answer to the ubiquitous question &#8220;<a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2007/05/how-education-became-indoctrination/">What about socialization</a>?&#8221; right.  We as homeschoolers are held in the middle of our own national conversation and while I do not foresee us seeking asylum abroad any time soon, I do believe how we answer this with friends and strangers may have a greater long term impact than all our legislative efforts.</p>
<p>I am happy to see this has sparked quite a bit of conversation in Germany.  It is one thing to hold that &#8220;children should go to school&#8221; and quite another to be confronted with the consequences of deciding not to, which at times leads to the decision to face losing your children or fleeing the country.  And while many have tried to make this about religion, Corinna makes it clear that your religious beliefs are irrelevant when the state discovers you are homeschooling.</p>
<p>What do you think about asylum being granted for homeschoolers fleeing Germany?</p>
<p>_________________</p>
<p>Other blogs discussing the decision:</p>
<p><a href="http://homeschoolbuzz.com/search.html?cx=010763500777362669027%3At8z8bfqeu4m&amp;cof=FORID%3A10&amp;q=romeike&amp;sa=Search#716">HomeschoolBuzz</a><br />
<a href="http://whyhomeschool.blogspot.com/2010/01/have-you-heard-news.html">Why Homeschool</a><br />
<a href="http://www.examiner.com/x-5559-Homeschooling-Newbie-Examiner~y2010m1d28-Political-asylum-granted-to-homeschoolers-first-time-in-US-history">Examiner.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2010/01/28/homeschooling-german-family-awarded-political-asylum-in-u-s-where-is-u-s-media/">Stop the ACLU</a><br />
<a href="http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/redstate_commentary/2010/01/us-shelters-political-refugees-from-germany.html">RedStateEclectic</a><br />
<a href="http://the-teacher.blogspot.com/2010/01/german-family-receives-asylum-from.html">The Teacher</a><br />
<a href="http://ericsammons.com/blog/2010/01/20/political-asylum-for-homeschooling/">The Divine Life</a><br />
<a href="http://www.homeedmag.com/newscomm/4165/romeike-family-asylum/">Home Education Magazine</a><br />
<a href="http://educatinggermany.7doves.com/2010/01/27/romeike-s-rest-easier">Educating Germany</a><br />
<a href="http://dailysalty.blogspot.com/2010/02/german-christian-homeschoolers-may-be.html">The Daily Salty</a><br />
<a href="http://ow.ly/13Jtz">Babycenter</a></p>
<p><a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/homeschooling">homeschooling</a> <a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/home+education">home education</a> <a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/Romeike">Romeike</a> <a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/asylum">asylum</a> <a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/socialization">socialization</a> <a rel="tag" href="http://technorati.com/tag/religion">religion</a></p>
<div id="crp_related"><h3>Related Posts:</h3><ul><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2006/10/police-action-against-german-homeschoolers/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Police action against German homeschoolers</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2006/09/parents-right-to-educate-by-its-nature-calls-for-regulation-by-the-state/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Parents&#8217; right to educate by its nature calls for regulation by the state</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2006/12/homeschooling-in-germany-request-for-assistance/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Homeschooling in Germany, Request for Assistance</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2006/12/another-german-homeschooling-family-faces-fines-probation/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">Another German homeschooling family faces fines, probation</a></li><li><a href="http://roscommonacres.com/2006/09/european-court-of-human-rights-rules-in-favor-of-germany/" rel="bookmark" class="crp_title">European Court of Human Rights rules in favor of Germany</a></li></ul></div><div style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0px" id="linksalpha_tag_1394604490" class="linksalpha-email-button" data-url="http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/thoughts-of-a-secular-german-homeschooler-on-the-asylum-case/" data-text="Thoughts of a secular German homeschooler on the asylum case" data-desc="The story of how the Romeike's, a German homeschooling family, was granted asylum by a judge in Tennessee has made quite a few waves, with reports in Time, Education Week, Forbes, The Washington Post, not to mention blogs.  I've seen a nearly constant stream of updates in Twitter as yet another circle of people I follow learn the news and pass it on.

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		<title>A little homeschool-style socialization</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seated around our table with five of her friends, Mouse celebrated her eleventh birthday. One is two years younger than she. One is three years older. The other three are her age. All five are Christian. Only three attend our church. Three are homeschooled. Two attend public school. One lives down the street. Four live [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seated around our table with five of her friends, Mouse celebrated her eleventh birthday.</p>
<ul>
<li>One is two years younger than she.  One is three years older.  The other three are her age.</li>
<li>All five are Christian.  Only three attend our church.</li>
<li>Three are homeschooled.  Two attend public school.</li>
<li>One lives down the street.  Four live thirty minutes or more away.</li>
<li>One is Hispanic.  One has enough Native American in her that you can tell.  The other three are white.</li>
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<p>And this in an area that is 91.4% white.</p>
<p>And I wonder, for all the concern about how homeschooled children will learn to appreciate diversity when raised in the bubble we have supposedly manufactured for them, how many children truly select friends who are so diverse?</p>
<p>We note how many <a href="http://seethefam.blogspot.com/2009/09/socializing-homeschoolers.html">opportunities homeschooled children have to play with others</a>. We note that children <a href="http://saintbenedictacademy.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-we-homeschool-socialization-chapter.html">do not learn to value others by sitting quietly next to them</a>.  We note that the <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/06/erin-playground-battles-and-so.html">playground is little more than a miniature stage for all our social ills</a>.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t like to talk so much about the challenges of giving our children the <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2009/05/11/homeschooling-socialization-and-my-daughter/">opportunity to develop friendships</a>.  Real, close, lasting friendships as opposed to numerous polite interactions with other children in an ever-rotating cycle of activities.  Maybe that is because it isn&#8217;t a problem for many, but a number of homeschoolers I have talked to have sympathized readily with the need to be intentional in this area.</p>
<p>As I passed out scones, I thought that maybe that isn&#8217;t all bad.  In school, you are surrounded by children.  You have the option of forming bonds with others like you and building distinct barriers to keep those who are different away.  With scarcity, however, comes a willingness to set aside superficial barriers such as race, income, location, etc., in favor of fulfilling the social needs every human being has.</p>
<p>When your class is 90% white, you notice the one Hispanic girl.  Outside of that context, however, when you just want someone to play with, you are much more likely to notice that she is nice.</p>
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	One is two years younger than she.  One is three years older.  The other three are her age.
	All five are Christian.  Only three attend our church.
	Three are homeschooled.  Two attend public school.
	One lives down the street.  Four live thirty minutes or more away.
	One is Hispanic.  One has enough Native American in her that you can tell.  The other three are white.

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		<title>On socialization and learning where we fit in the world</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, did you know we&#8217;re Mexican? says the little girl at craft table at the library.  She couldn&#8217;t have been older than six.  Her little friend across from her dropped her scissors, mouth agape. Don&#8217;t you call me that! She was clearly insulted and the table fell silent, all eyes on the offender.  She averted [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey, did you know we&#8217;re Mexican?</p></blockquote>
<p>says the little girl at craft table at the library.  She couldn&#8217;t have been older than six.  Her little friend across from her dropped her scissors, mouth agape.</p>
<blockquote><p>Don&#8217;t you call me that!</p></blockquote>
<p>She was clearly insulted and the table fell silent, all eyes on the offender.  She averted her eyes, but there was no place to go.  She and her two friends had been told to stay there and color and stay she did.  Just before hurling this horrendous insult, she had been happily counting and singing . . . in Spanish.  Clearly, neither she nor anyone at the table had any particular issue with the country of their obvious heritage until it was named.</p>
<p><strong><em>Mexican.</em></strong></p>
<p>After a long moment of silence, the third girl leaned in and whispered, &#8220;It&#8217;s called Hispanic.  We&#8217;re Hispanic.&#8221;  With that, the tension eased and they went back to their playful chatter about school and television and friends.  They forgot about that dirty word.</p>
<p><strong><em>Mexican.</em></strong></p>
<p>She may as well have said, &#8220;Hey, did you know we were spics?&#8221;  Or niggers.  Or chinks.  Or any number of racial slurs.  I can&#8217;t help but wonder how a child growing up Hispanic in an Hispanic home with Hispanic friends, watching <em>Dora the Explorer, </em>who happily sings songs in Spanish in the library learns that <em>Mexican</em> is a dirty word.</p>
<p>This is socialization.  Learning what is &#8220;other,&#8221; labeling it and trying to make it conform.  This is the &#8220;<a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/03/14/homeschooling-elitist-and-anti-democratic/">leavening effect of democracy</a>&#8221; which compulsory schooling offers.  It does not teach us to value difference, but to conform.  It does not teach us to handle conflict, but to submit to the capricious and cruel tendencies of small children with inadequate supervision.</p>
<p>Humans are fundamentally social creatures, and I would be the last to argue against teaching our children how to function within our social groups.  Socialization is a natural part of being human.  But how do we best teach this to our children?  Seated in neat rows while the teacher talks?  Or perhaps better seated in circles?  On the playground while an adult with a whistles chats with an aid and watches for any grievous rule breaks?  Or <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/10/30/so-how-do-i-plan-to-socialize-my-children/">within the context of the family</a> where true, selfless love can be experienced alongside daily modeling and guidance specific to each child&#8217;s needs?</p>
<p>_________________________</p>
<p><em>Uppercase Woman&#8217;s</em> daughter, too, is learning <a href="http://www.uppercasewoman.com/wastedbirthcontrol/2009/10/the-question-of-school-homeschooling-mean-girls-and-standarized-tests.html">her place in her social world</a> (<em>language warning</em>) at the tender age of three.  Fortunately, she has a loving mother to help guide her through it as she wrestles with the question of how to educate her daughter.</p>
<p><em>Also, we&#8217;re still sorting out this whole moving blog thing.  Posting may be erratic and the blog may go down when we finally get that far.  Sleeping for hours in a row is doing me wonders, however, and I am brimming with things to write about once I have my blog back!</em></p>
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says the little girl at craft table at the library.  She couldn't have been older than six.  Her little friend across from her dropped her scissors, mouth agape.
Don't you call me that!
She was clearly insulted and the table fell silent, all eyes on the offender.  She averted her eyes, but there was no place to go.  She and her two friends had been told to stay there and color and stay she did.  Just before hurling this horrendous insult, she had been happil" data-site="Roscommon Acres"></div><script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.linksalpha.com/social/loader?script_type=buttons_counters&tag_id=linksalpha_tag_21603983&link=http%3A%2F%2Froscommonacres.com%2F2009%2F10%2Fon-socialization-and-learning-where-we-fit-in-the-world%2F&gplus=0&twitter=1&fbsend=1&linkedin=1&gbuzz=0&tumblr=1&reddit=0&pinterest=1&digg=0&stumbleupon=1&gpluslang=en-US&twitterlang=en&fbsendlang=en_US&gbuzzlang=en&twittermention=%40principled&twitterrelated1=&twitterrelated2=&halign=left"></script>]]></content:encoded>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 06:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catholic Dads recently asked how other homeschool families discuss homeschooling with family, friends and paticularly with the homeschooled children.  Particularly the questions of children seem to draw out uncertainties.  After all, we have so much power to frame the entire discussion and insert our views into our children.  Catholic Dad&#8217;s questions echo my own thoughts [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Catholic Dads </em>recently asked how other homeschool families discuss homeschooling with family, friends and paticularly with the homeschooled children.  Particularly the questions of children seem to draw out uncertainties.  After all, we have so much power to frame the entire discussion and insert our views into our children.  Catholic Dad&#8217;s questions echo my own thoughts as I attempt to answer my daughter&#8217;s questions:</p>
<blockquote><p>But how do we explain this [the reasons we homeschool] to a five year old without a.) giving him the impression that he&#8217;s missing out on something fantastic, b.) running the risk that he looks down his nose at other kids who do go to school or c.)getting the impression that schools and everything associated with them are to be avoided?  <a href="http://catholic-dads.blogspot.com/2009/06/homeschooling-diplomacy.html">Homeschool Diplomacy</a></p></blockquote>
<p>They are good questions and the answers deserve some pondering.  After all, short of sending your children off to school for an extended period, any answer given will only be part of the story.  It&#8217;s like trying to explain a foreign culture without it coming down to food, holidays and national costumes.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an answer.</p>
<p>Actually, I have more questions.  Essentially, they are the same questions, broadened and not specific to homeschoolers.  How do we explain differences and diversity to our children?  Whether it is a woman dressed in a sari, or with a hijab covering her head, a child with obvious physical deformities or a man behaving bizarrely on a street corner, how do you address the questions your children have?</p>
<p>As a child stands staring, the most common reaction I see from parents is a swift diversion and a muttered &#8220;It&#8217;s impolite to stare!&#8221; as the child is whisked away.  Now, it<strong><em> is</em></strong> impolite to stare, and an important part of raising children is teaching them these finer points of social life.  But in that moment, the child has also noticed something:  people are different.  We come in different colors, shapes and sizes, we have different customs, we speak different languages and some of us suffer from diseases and disorders that make us noticeably different.  Some of us are hurting, are hungry and even smell.</p>
<p>But it is impolite to stare, so we whisk our children away.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be the last to say that it is appropriate to turn the person into an object lesson. . .although a man with a neck injury at McDonald&#8217;s once told me he never minded the children staring.  It was the parents shuttling them out of sight that got to him.  But I can&#8217;t help but wonder how many parents pick up the conversation with their children later.</p>
<p>I wonder, because a lot is learned in that moment.  A lot more than perhaps we realize.  It brings us back to that socialization issue homeschoolers are so fond of:</p>
<blockquote><p>The process whereby a child learns to get along with and to behave similarly to other people in the group, largely through imitation as well as group pressure.  <a href="http://www.answers.com/socialization">Answers.com</a></p></blockquote>
<p>It is also a process which occurs without critical analysis.  That quick but firm redirection (with perhaps a touch of shock) may teach our children a lot more about our culture than simply that it is impolite to stare.  After all, there seem to be certain &#8220;things not spoken of&#8221; that we aren&#8217;t even supposed to look at.</p>
<p>But how do we (and how should we) discuss these issues with young children?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 07:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a homeschooler, I spend a bit of time thinking about &#8220;the S word,&#8221; the socialization question.  What socialization is, what people really mean when they ask about it and whether schools really have anything to do with socialization in the first place.  As a homeschooler, I have all sorts of arguments and defenses for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignright" style="float: right; margin-left: 7px; margin-right: 7px;" src="http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/gottsegnet/mouse-2.jpg" alt="My daughter" width="210" height="299" />As a homeschooler, I spend a bit of time thinking about &#8220;<a href="http://heartkeepercommonroom.blogspot.com/2009/04/s-word-for-homeschoolers.html">the S word</a>,&#8221; the socialization question.  <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2006/04/29/what-about-socialization/">What socialization is</a>, what <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/10/30/so-how-do-i-plan-to-socialize-my-children/">people really mean</a> when they ask about it and <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/05/24/how-education-became-indoctrination/">whether schools really have anything to do with socialization</a> in the first place.  As a homeschooler, I have all sorts of arguments and defenses for homeschooling.</p>
<p>As a mother, well, as a mother I confess to being a little concerned about my Mouse.  And more on the &#8220;socializing&#8221; front, since we homeschoolers frequently point out the difference between socializing and socialization.  &#8220;Mom, I don&#8217;t have any friends,&#8221; she complains.  &#8220;I just want a friend.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since she&#8217;s somewhat prone to exaggeration, I name a few friends for her.  But they are all in Lincoln and are a part of the various social activities our families are engaged in.  This left me thinking about school, socialization and the friends I had as a child.</p>
<p>If socialization is supposed to be about learning to work together and get along in diverse society, schools fail miserably.  Maybe I say that because <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/08/21/homeschool-stereotypes-vs-public-school-realities/">I didn&#8217;t have that many friends</a> in elementary school, but it seems to me that the other children made friends only with those who were most like them.  There was very little crossing of ethnic or economic boundaries.</p>
<p>It was different in the neighborhood, however.  Suddenly, other children to play with seemed a scarce resource.  Scarcity created a demand and that demand let differences fall by the wayside.  I was &#8220;friends&#8221; with every child within a reasonable distance from my house, regardless of their age or background.  Kids who wouldn&#8217;t talk to me at school knocked on the door to see if I could play after school.</p>
<p>We learned to get along not because the teacher told us to or by simple exposure, but because we all wanted someone to play with and our choices were limited.</p>
<p>But not quite so limited as my daughter&#8217;s.  There is one other girl in our town, and she is three years older.  In school, they&#8217;d likely have little to do with each other.  Out here&#8230;well&#8230;the only other girl for her to play with is my daughter.  And they get along well.</p>
<p>Still my daughter pines for friends.  At first, I thought it was mostly a problem unique to us.  After all, we do live in a small and aging town.  But then she and another girl really &#8220;clicked&#8221; during homeschool gym.  On the way home, I heard all about what she and G. did.  On the way there, I heard all about what she hoped she and G. would do.  She was making a new friend&#8230;in Lincoln.</p>
<p>Then her mother told me something her daughter had said.  Something that sounded very much like something my daughter could have said.</p>
<blockquote><p>I hate it when I make a new friend but then I don&#8217;t get to see them again.</p></blockquote>
<p>Transient friendships?  Ones made during various homeschool activities?  All of which have an ever-changing group of participants?  We are not currently involved in a homeschool group, just occasional homeschool activities.  But that part of my daughter that is yearning for a close friend cannot be appeased by opportunities to play and interact with a different group of children every quarter.</p>
<p>Suddenly my daughter has made two friends, two relationships which will be able to continue past the activities where they met.  Her entire demeanor has changed.  She no longer pines.</p>
<p>And it seems we have made a major accomplishment in our little homeschool, even though I never had the foresight to make it a goal.</p>
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		<title>Weird, unsocialized homeschooler</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ki o tsuke! Calls sensei, and twenty children snap to attention, facing the front and awaiting instruction.  All but one young man:  my son.  He is standing at the end, facing the wrong direction, his gi practically falling off and swinging his belt as if it were a lasso.  There is a long pause as [...]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Ki o tsuke!</p></blockquote>
<p>Calls sensei, and twenty children snap to attention, facing the front and awaiting instruction.  All but one young man:  my son.  He is standing at the end, facing the wrong direction, his gi practically falling off and swinging his belt as if it were a lasso.  There is a long pause as it becomes obvious that he neither recognizes the verbal command nor the social cues that his behavior is inappropriate.</p>
<p>It is difficult for me to watch.  Part of me wants to jump in and direct him, give him the extra attention he needs to be successful, or maybe just protect him from the impatient stares of the entire room.  Strange thing to protect him from, since I am clearly the only one of the two of us who has noticed.  But that is part of why we signed him up.  This class has the physical activity and physical games he loves with a little of the sitting still, standing at attention, and listening to verbal and social cues he struggles with.</p>
<p>Over the years my daughter has been involved, I have seen other children like him who just don&#8217;t seem to get it, and perhaps more aggravatingly don&#8217;t seem to even notice they don&#8217;t get it.  I&#8217;ve seen their enthusiasm despite regular corrections, seen their excitement as they slowly gain rank and seen their more eccentric behaviors gradually decrease as they grow and mature.</p>
<p>More remarkably, however, I have seen a room full of children from the age of four to sixteen who simply accept these quirky children for who they are.  The brown belts spend a little extra time helping them with their gi, tying their belt and redirecting their attention, but no one seems to actually mind the ones who don&#8217;t fit in, who make the class stand at attention while they spin in circles or who ultimately are responsible for the entire room doing push ups.</p>
<blockquote><p>These are your dojo brothers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sensei emphasizes, and he doesn&#8217;t allow anything but respect.</p>
<p>It is an environment I felt was safe to put my son into, although I knew it would be challenging for him and those responsible for teaching him.  It is somewhat sad to say, but I have not always<a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/06/24/shout-to-the-lord/"> felt the same</a> about our church, or his involvement with the programs he so much wants to be a part of.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft" style="margin-left: 7px; margin-right: 7px; float: left;" src="http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/gottsegnet/squarepeg.jpg" alt="square peg in a round hole" width="150" height="73" />Still, he is my son.  I don&#8217;t really want to sit back and watch him &#8220;grow out of it.&#8221;  I want to &#8220;fix&#8221; him, make him &#8220;normal,&#8221; help him not to experience the social stigmas he doesn&#8217;t seem to be aware of anyway.  Sometimes I even try, and we spend hours battling each other as I try to take this little square peg and force it into a little round hole and get frustrated with the little peg who somehow should respond to the hammering some other way.</p>
<p>I am getting better at letting him be himself.  At not being repulsed by his <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2007/11/11/what-i-learned-from-my-son/">saliva covered hands</a>.  At taking comments like &#8220;For him, he was good&#8230;&#8221; as a compliment worthy of praise for my young man.  At setting my expectations somewhere he can reach rather than where I think he should be.</p>
<p>But as I sat and watched him in karate last night, an odd thought popped into my mind&#8230;a new label for my son.</p>
<blockquote><p>Weird, unsocialized homeschooler.</p></blockquote>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter that he is only two months into kindergarten.  I see him someday as the subject of other people&#8217;s conversations and I hear all the comments I&#8217;ve read in the numerous &#8220;Yeah, but&#8230;&#8221; concerns regarding homeschooling.</p>
<blockquote><p>I knew a homeschooled kid once.  Sure he was smart, but he just didn&#8217;t fit in.  He was weird.  He just didn&#8217;t get the social cues.</p></blockquote>
<p>Coming from a quirky family, <a href="http://principleddiscovery.com/2008/08/21/homeschool-stereotypes-vs-public-school-realities/">having not fit in especially well in school</a> and being married to a man who most assuredly did not fit into the school enviornment, I have always wondered whether such comments say more about homeschoolers or the public/private school graduates passing judgment.</p>
<p>The fact is, since he is homeschooled, that will likely always be blamed for any social deficiencies which persist in him until adolescence and beyond.  It doesn&#8217;t matter that while he doesn&#8217;t seem to &#8220;get&#8221; sitting still, his sister is leading class.  It doesn&#8217;t matter that while I&#8217;m brainstorming ways to make it possible for him to participate in game time in AWANAs, my three year old is getting praise for her vocabulary, listening skills and maturity heaped upon her.  It also doesn&#8217;t matter how far he has come over the years and the fact that he has come from unmanageable to merely weird in just five years.</p>
<p>Society has a single standard, and since he doesn&#8217;t have any obvious and visible disabilities, I fear his &#8220;otherness&#8221; will always be blamed on his parents&#8217; educational choices.  And that leaves us with a dilemma.  Mostly I fret alternately about how to force my little square peg into his little round hole or at what kind of damage I&#8217;m doing when I try too hard.  But I can no more make that hole square than I can the peg round.</p>
<p>So where does that leave us?</p>
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<p>And don&#8217;t forget this week&#8217;s <a href="http://jacquedixon.com/?p=1776">Carnival of Homeschooling</a>!</p>
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		<title>Structure and learning in the homeschool environment</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been thinking a lot about this recently as I prepare to include my son in more formal learning. My daughter thrives on being given as much independence as possible. My son thrives on structure. I am trying to find some sense of balance, a happy medium. Then I found this question (spelling in [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been thinking a lot about this recently as I prepare to include my son in more formal learning.  My daughter thrives on being given as much independence as possible.  My son thrives on structure.  I am trying to find some sense of balance, a happy medium.  Then I found this question (spelling in the original):</p>
<blockquote><p>The formality and structure created by going to school everyday is lost in homeschool. Monday through Friday there is a routine, a sense of purpose. No confusion or ciaos. A learned respect of the adults that are teaching them. A respect for all people is gained by following the rules in school, as do in, the rules is society. Created to maintain order. When is this learned in homeschooling?  <a href="http://grovestreet.wordpress.com/2008/05/07/homeschool/">Grove Street&#8217;s Weblog</a></p></blockquote>
<p>And that sort of united some of my seemingly disparate thoughts on the subject as I wrestled with a response.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="float: right; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 5px;" src="http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/gottsegnet/kindergarten-1.jpg" alt="kindergarten room" width="239" height="159" />In 1989, a rather humorous collection of essays hit the best seller list and refused to budge:  <em>All I Really Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten</em> by Robert Fulghum.  Obviously it resonated with Americans as it became the second longest running #1 bestseller in 23 years.  But I maintained then and I maintain now that if you wait until kindergarten to learn the<a href="http://www.heartwarmingstories.net/everything.htm"> basic life principles</a> he outlines in his book, you have gotten a rather late start.</p>
<p>It is in the family that we first learn our own worth.  To share.  To not hit.  To clean up our messes.  To say sorry.  To hold hands.  To respect others.  To wonder.</p>
<p>Like Dennis in <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0415965/plotsummary">Martian Child</a>, it is where we learn what it means to be human.  And if that process is botched early in childhood, the best teachers in the best schools will find it difficult to overcome.  The family is the foundation of society.  If we have healthy families, we will have a healthy society.  If our families are characterized by chaos, our society will be as well.  All because it is the family which primarily prepares the child for and introduces the child to living in concert with other human beings&#8230;for living in society.</p>
<p>But what of structure and routine?  The nice rows of desks, or the groupings at tables?  The principal&#8217;s office?  The lockers?  The recess monitor with her shrill whistle calling you back in after recess.  Is there not value in this?  Doesn&#8217;t this prepare us for &#8220;the real world?&#8221;  I&#8217;ve read multiple responses to this basic question, but I think the real issue lies a little deeper and necessitates what may seem to be an odd question.</p>
<p>What is<a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/structure"> structure</a>?</p>
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<div class="ds-list"><strong>1. </strong> Something made up of a number of parts that are held or put together in a particular way: <span class="illustration">hierarchical social structure.</span></div>
<div class="ds-list"><strong>2. </strong> The way in which parts are arranged or put together to form a whole; makeup: <span class="illustration">triangular in structure.</span></div>
<div class="ds-list"><strong>3. </strong> The interrelation or arrangement of parts in a complex entity: <span class="illustration">political structure; plot structure.</span></div>
<div class="ds-list"><strong>4. </strong> Something constructed, such as a building.</div>
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<p><img class="alignleft" style="float: left; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 5px;" src="http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/gottsegnet/blowingbubbles.jpg" alt="blowing bubbles" width="132" height="201" />A school provides a structure and places that on children.  It controls the environment around the child in order to encourage conformity.  It is what most of us grew up with and thus it is easy to perceive it to be the only way, the right way or the best way to introduce children to adulthood and to society.  But that isn&#8217;t necessarily the case.</p>
<p>Home education, in its ideal, also provides a structure for children although it is different in form and function.  The point is more about inspiring the child and teaching the child to take responsibility for his or her own learning.  It is about seeking real-world connections and developing a habit of scholarship, wonder and, most of all, ownership.</p>
<p>Many of us do finish the school day in less time than the public school because we have the advantage of more individualized instruction and fewer interruptions.  I can see where this question comes from:</p>
<blockquote><p>What job can you work for an hour and then go out and hug trees?  <em>Ibid.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>But it really does not follow.  I can as easily ask what business expects you to sit quietly and wait until everyone else in the room finishes their work before you can move on.  What happens after that two to three hours it takes to finish what is in the book does not mean that education has ended.  It is in this extra time that home education has the opportunity to assist a child in discovering unique talents and real world experiences.</p>
<p>And these unique experiences seem to be sought after by colleges these days.  Private universities have been seeking out homeschooled students for some time.  But now public universities are as well.  The University of California at Riverside has an interesting article posted on their website with an illustrative quote.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The new homeschool admissions program seems to have attracted outstanding students, as we&#8217;d hoped,&#8221; said Frank Vahid, a professor in the Department of Computer Science who helped establish the program. &#8220;Some applicants showed exceptional accomplishment in certain areas of study or very novel life experiences, while many also had high grades in community college courses and strong SAT scores. It looks like we&#8217;ve tapped into a pipeline of great students.&#8221;  <a href="http://www.newsroom.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/display.cgi?id=1407">UCRiverside</a></p></blockquote>
<p>We are providing universities with a &#8220;pipeline of great students.&#8221;  And not just for academic reasons, but for &#8220;novel life experiences.&#8221;  It is precisely this freedom from the structure of the public school system which has presented some students with the opportunity to be highly sought after.</p>
<p>Hat Tip:  <a href="http://taz.bulletproofsoul.info/2008/05/07/thoughts-like-these-damage-homeschoolers-everywhere/">Eternallearning Academy</a></p>
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<p><a href="http://whyhomeschool.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-technology-may-destroy-public.html">Why Homeschool</a> points to an interesting article about <a href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2008/pulpit_20080321_004574.html">how technology may destroy public education</a> which provides an interesting extension to this discussion:</p>
<blockquote><p>He makes the point that one of the things that keeps public schools going is reputation. When people work out ways to certify that a person has the equivalent of a high school education, public schools will be in real trouble.</p></blockquote>
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