Comments on: The Pearls, abuse and a false gospel http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/the-pearls-abuse-and-a-false-gospel/ Life more abundantly Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:41:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: stories of child http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/the-pearls-abuse-and-a-false-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-24199 stories of child Fri, 23 Sep 2011 21:12:48 +0000 http://roscommonacres.com/?p=1512#comment-24199 <strong>stories of child abuse...</strong> [...]Roscommon Acres » Blog Archive » The Pearls, abuse and a false gospel[...]... stories of child abuse…

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]]> By: Roscommon Acres » Blog Archive » In defense of the Pearls…some thoughts http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/the-pearls-abuse-and-a-false-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-12617 Roscommon Acres » Blog Archive » In defense of the Pearls…some thoughts Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:18:41 +0000 http://roscommonacres.com/?p=1512#comment-12617 [...] thoughts Wednesday, March 03rd, 2010 | Author: Dana “Missy” left a comment on my entry The Pearls, abuse and a false gospel, which was apparently copied from No Greater [...] [...] thoughts Wednesday, March 03rd, 2010 | Author: Dana “Missy” left a comment on my entry The Pearls, abuse and a false gospel, which was apparently copied from No Greater [...]

]]> By: Dana http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/the-pearls-abuse-and-a-false-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-12612 Dana Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:01:01 +0000 http://roscommonacres.com/?p=1512#comment-12612 Of course the couple are fully responsible for their actions. Nowhere in this entry have I said they are not responsible, nor advocated they get lighter sentences because of the influence of another ministry. I have read the materials I discussed, including TTUAC. And yes, there are indications here and there about abuse. I do not deny that. In fact, I point them out in other entries where I discuss the Pearls. But that does not mean that we turn a blind eye to the influence of this ministry, nor that all is right with it. What is frightening is that otherwise loving parents (everyone around them was shocked, and couldn't quite believe that the reports were true...the children were everything the book promised: well-behaved and cheerful.) Yes, they talk about love and building relationships. The switching comes first. Page 25...a quarter of the way through the book, we hear that your anger and frustration need to be under control. However, by the reports at the moment, it sounds like the parents in this case were quite calm as they beat their children. Page 33 talks about pride and impatience? What has that to do with beating a child? And do we know that the Schatz' were suffering in this area? Actually, not one of the quotes in this article seem to apply. You can calmly beat a child to death. And please note: when they say this book is about child "training," they define "training" as switching a child in order to teach them. They still recommend that a child be struck until he is "without breath to complain." .-= Dana´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/RoscommonAcres/~3/8T2R1gbnI70/" rel="nofollow">Thoughts on pediatricians and homeschooling</a> =-. Of course the couple are fully responsible for their actions. Nowhere in this entry have I said they are not responsible, nor advocated they get lighter sentences because of the influence of another ministry.

I have read the materials I discussed, including TTUAC. And yes, there are indications here and there about abuse. I do not deny that. In fact, I point them out in other entries where I discuss the Pearls.

But that does not mean that we turn a blind eye to the influence of this ministry, nor that all is right with it. What is frightening is that otherwise loving parents (everyone around them was shocked, and couldn’t quite believe that the reports were true…the children were everything the book promised: well-behaved and cheerful.)

Yes, they talk about love and building relationships. The switching comes first.

Page 25…a quarter of the way through the book, we hear that your anger and frustration need to be under control. However, by the reports at the moment, it sounds like the parents in this case were quite calm as they beat their children.

Page 33 talks about pride and impatience? What has that to do with beating a child? And do we know that the Schatz’ were suffering in this area?

Actually, not one of the quotes in this article seem to apply. You can calmly beat a child to death.

And please note: when they say this book is about child “training,” they define “training” as switching a child in order to teach them.

They still recommend that a child be struck until he is “without breath to complain.”
.-= Dana´s last blog ..Thoughts on pediatricians and homeschooling =-.

]]> By: Missy http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/the-pearls-abuse-and-a-false-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-12611 Missy Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:47:39 +0000 http://roscommonacres.com/?p=1512#comment-12611 Interestingly, both of these articles showed up on my Facebook home page today. I thought I would pass this on to you... I hope it helps clear up some of the confusion :0) <em>Editing this comment because it contains a lengthy article copied from another site. It is unclear whether permission to copy has been granted, but the article may be read here: <a href="http://www.squidoo.com/Pearls_2Train_Up_A_Child" rel="nofollow">http://www.squidoo.com/Pearls_2Train_Up_A_Child</a></em> Interestingly, both of these articles showed up on my Facebook home page today. I thought I would pass this on to you… I hope it helps clear up some of the confusion :0)

Editing this comment because it contains a lengthy article copied from another site. It is unclear whether permission to copy has been granted, but the article may be read here:

http://www.squidoo.com/Pearls_2Train_Up_A_Child

]]> By: Dana http://roscommonacres.com/2010/02/the-pearls-abuse-and-a-false-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-12610 Dana Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:43:47 +0000 http://roscommonacres.com/?p=1512#comment-12610 Just to be clear, I was not trying to say that children cannot come up with bad ideas all on their own, nor that every interaction with a doll indicates how they are treated at home. It was just an example from the book that the Pearls found to be exemplary while I found it a little disconcerting. But that is something else. The Pearls don't really believe we are born with a sin nature, per se. They talk about imputed sin, and the ability to attain sinless perfection in this world. .-= Dana´s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/RoscommonAcres/~3/8T2R1gbnI70/" rel="nofollow">Thoughts on pediatricians and homeschooling</a> =-. Just to be clear, I was not trying to say that children cannot come up with bad ideas all on their own, nor that every interaction with a doll indicates how they are treated at home.

It was just an example from the book that the Pearls found to be exemplary while I found it a little disconcerting.

But that is something else. The Pearls don’t really believe we are born with a sin nature, per se. They talk about imputed sin, and the ability to attain sinless perfection in this world.
.-= Dana´s last blog ..Thoughts on pediatricians and homeschooling =-.

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